check. The maximum load for For most loads in either cartridge, hunters shouldnt expect to reliably take game past 200 yards. Using the lighter .358-inch diameter bullets weighing 150 to 200 grains, the .35 Remington gave enough power to cleanly take a deer, bear or similar sized animals, without pounding the shooters shoulder to jelly. WINCHESTER model 1905 in 35 Cal. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchesters now-legendary 1894 lever-action. We've got you covered. .257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. This is partly due to the wide availability of ammo and partly due to the cartridges extended reach. grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1751 fps. If the .35 Rem. It used to be that you couldnt find an eastern deer camp without a .35 Remington in it. .35 Remington This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Originally loaded with a 160-grain bullet, today 150- and 170-grain loads are the most popular, but ammunition loaded with bullets as light as 125 grains and as heavy as 190 grains is available. Commonly known as the Model 07, the Model 1907 rifle was also popular for law enforcement use. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. This helps support the blog and allows me to continue to create free content thats useful to hunters like yourself. Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. The .35 Remington was releasedas one of a quartet of rimless cartridges from Remingtonin 1906; it is a rimless affair designed for their Model 8 autoloading rifle. The .35 Remington's story is a bit different. A 35 Rem or .358 Win would have been perfect for the situation. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. The elder statesman of the deer woods, the .30-30 Win. As a result, the cartridge does not have a very flat trajectory. Even when using loads on the upper end of the performance envelope for the cartridge, the .35 Remington still has a relatively slow velocity and low ballistic coefficient. Accuracy was always regarded as fair at best from Model 07 carbines. The .350 Rem. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (also called .351 SL or .351 WSL) is an American rifle cartridge designed in 1906. The .35 Remington was one of a quartet of cartridges released by Remington in 1906, and it was chambered for the Remington Model 8 autoloading rifle. stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. It is believed that. The .35 Remington initially found favor among hunters seeking a good brush bullet and many deer, bear, elk, and even moose have fallen to the .35 Remington over the years. The .30-30 is among the most popular small-bore sporting cartridges ever produced and, shortly after its introduction, Winchester, Savage, Marlin, and Remington were offering lever-action, bolt-action, rolling-block, and single-shot rifles. I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. They have almost all abandoned the cartridge. Thats what I did. History [ edit] Winchester introduced the .351 SL in the Winchester Model 1907 self-loading rifle as a replacement for the Winchester Model 1905 and the .35 SL. The .35 Rem. I remember in Washington in the early 70s my older brother pulled up in his truck with the biggest elk Id ever seen. You can never lead if you always follow; the other cartridges were designed to chase Winchesters success, while the .35 Rem. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. figure of .256 versus the 200-grain .358s S.D. An experimental Thompson submachine gun was also made to fire .351 SL in 1919 but was never produced commercially. However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. And, if youre going after elk- or moose-sized game, or are maybe afraid you might have to shoot it out with a brown bear, youll appreciate that bigger and heavier bullet. Mag. G. Joined: Feb 2010. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Which is the more useful cartridge? from my E.R. Along with the rifle, they introduced four new rimless cartridges: the .25 Remington, the .30 Remington, the .32 Remington, and the .35 Remington. .351 cartridge enjoyed a rather long production life. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. We've got you covered..280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. The FTX bullet has a pointed, flexible, polymer tip that has a higher ballistic coefficient than the flat tipped or round nose bullets the cartridge normally uses. I feel the cartridges offer very similar performance, at similar ranges. Most commercially available loads for the .351 SL launched a 180 grain .351 caliber bullet at between 1,850 and 1,925 fps from a 20-inch barrel, yielding identical muzzle energy to the .30-30 when fired from a 20-inch barrel (rather than a manufacturer's long test barrel). Additionally, I recorded an entire podcast episode on this exact subject. The .35 Rem. Even though it does not sport the sexy pointed bullets and high velocities of some of the more popular cartridges on the market today, the .35 Remington still maintains a healthy following among American hunters. Today, the ammunition for both cartridges is much improved from what it was in the 50s and Hornadys LEVERevoultion ammunition extended the practical effective range for both cartridges. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). Many now consider the .35SL inadequate as a deer round, but it may still be suitable . As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. Winchester claims the cartridge has 20 percent more penetration and 20 percent less recoil than the .243 Winchester, yet that comparison though it may be perfectly viable didnt exactly translate well to me. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. My first was a Winchester Model 94AE XTR in .30-30 Winchester, that timeless rimmed cartridge that has accounted for innumerable amounts of game. I have used this cartridge on moose with excellent results. Lead bullets can be case from #2 alloy using On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. Jacketed bullet diameter is .351", not At ranges less than 100 yards, likewhen hunting whitetail deeror black bear in thick cover,the cartridge excels and is absolutely deadly on big game. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. was designed to compete with the very popular .38-55 Win. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). The straight-wall, rimless design requires that the cartridge headspaces off of the case mouthmuch like a .45 ACP or 9mm Lugerbut the use of spitzer bullets certainly gives an advantage out beyond the 100-yard mark. So, in recognition of both the strengths and weaknesses of the cartridge, the .35 Remington gained a good reputation among American huntersseeking an effective woods cartridge for pursuing game in areas where shots inside 100 yards were the norm. We offer rifle ammo in a number of calibers including 223 REMINGTON, 30 CARBINE, 300 WIN MAG, 307 WIN, 308 WIN, 375 WINCHESTER, 5.45 X 39MM, 7X64MM and more. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. This Mossberg 26B bolt-action rifle in .22 caliber belonged to my dad, Robert Elmo Babington. Well played Winchester; we all need to work together. Perhaps thats why it has survived. Winchester introduced the .351 WSL in 1907 for their Model Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. On those gray, moody November days when I am feeling blue I take my Remington Model 141 pump-action rifle in .35 Rem. I love a good underdog story (not to mention a less common cartridge), and I was hoping to be able to justify giving the nod to the .35 Rem. Which Shoots More Flatly? The .35 Rem. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. But when Winchester chambered the .358 the following year in its unique lever-action, the Model 88, it became a really interesting cartridge. .30-30 Win. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. can only be had in Federals traditional, lead-core Power-Shok line. On the other hand, the hardest hitting 35 Remington load is the 220-grain Heavy load from Buffalo Bore. If I were a Midwest hunter, Id dive on top of the 350 Legend, as it gives what I consider to be the most bang for the buck. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. The .223 Rem. Chiefly because of the handy Winchester '07 carbine, the One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. Scoped and out to 350 yards the 308 has it hands down. Ill bet its been awhile since those cartridges have been seen in a hunting camp. The .356 Win. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. But theres a reason the .30-30 has been around for the last 126 years. usually costs closer to $45 for a box. [1] .35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge diagram. It was predictable that the .356 Win. On the other hand, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load will drop 17 inches with the same 200-yard zero. The long accepted story was that James V. Howe developed the cartridge in 1922 and named it in honor of his friend, gunwriter Col. Townsend Whelen. The result was the .350 Legend. Whether you're shooting a break-action, pump-action, or semiautomatic, Sign up for the Field & Stream newsletter and get the latest intelligence straight to your inbox. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. For instance, Remington also sells 150gr load that produces velocities around 2,300 feet per second. At this time, Henry and Marlin are the only two companies Im aware of that produce new rifles in the cartridge. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. For comparison, a .270 Winchester produces about 17 ft.-lbs. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. Another interesting tidbit about the .35 Remington is the alleged use of a Remington Model 8 chambered in the cartridge by legendary Texas Ranger Frank Hamer in the final ambush that killed Bonnie & Clyde in 1934. 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